GoodWin Casino - プレーヤーが自分のアカウントを確認するのに問題があります。

Efter losing money in this casino for quit long time, I actually won 500 euros at last. And now they refuse to pay out the winnings. They asked me to send a document witch i send as they wish and 4days later still nothing happened

Dear Mike19,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m very sorry to hear about your problem. Please understand that KYC is a very important and essential process, during which the casino makes sure that the money is sent to the rightful owner. None of the serious and licensed casinos takes KYC lightly, and I am afraid you will have to go through this process if you want to get your winnings.

If all the data is correct, there should be no reason for the casino to delay your withdrawal. Because it may take a few days to fully review all documents, I would recommend you wait for a few more business days.

If there is no development within the next 10 days, we will intervene. In the meantime, please keep us updated and let us know if there is anything new.

Best regards,

Kristina

Hello

The following situation occurred with this player:

The player won a certain amount, after which, in order to withdraw funds, it is required to go through standard account verification.

We asked the player for a standard set of documents for verification. After some time, the player sent this set of documents and successfully passed the verification.

Next, the player (based on the rules of the casino, with which he agreed) had to confirm the phone number, with which the player had problems. The player did not receive the SMS code, which he told us on the same day (please note that we answered almost always on the day the player applied, although now it is holidays and there are also people working in the casino who sometimes need rest). We checked this information and confirmed that he did not receive the SMS code and verified the number manually.

But the whole problem happened later, when we asked the player to provide a card number in order to send him money, since the payment system that automatically withdraws money refused to pay (this happens with some countries), and therefore we have to request a card number in order to manually through an alternative method to withdraw money.

The player refused to provide the card number for a long time (please note that only the card number, without the back 3 digits). After that, late in the evening, he provided the data and we confirmed that we will withdraw to the player tomorrow (since it was already late in the evening, and our casino has a working hours for the financial department and the player must read the rules of the casino, because he agreed with them).

To the message that only tomorrow the player will be paid the funds, the player was very outraged and began to claim that we were scammers and requested his card details in order to deceive him and steal money from him in the future. On the same day, the player asked to block his account and he does not want to have anything to do with us. To which our employee clarified with the player that he has money in his account and in case of blocking he will lose this money. In the future, the player (on the same day) simply lost his money and again demanded blocking, without actually waiting 24 hours for us to withdraw the funds.

I will ask you to note that this whole story lasted about 5 days, which is not a long time on holidays, and given the fact that the player had to go through verification, resolve the issue with the SMS code and provide the card details.

We did not waste time and honestly provided all the information exactly on the same day the player wrote to us. In response, we received only insults and messages that the player had turned to the police and that we were scammers, which is completely wrong.

I hope i was able to summarize this situation as much as possible for all parties.

Their story is completely wrong and misleading. They asked me to send all the numbers on the bank card. Which I have done. Have then contacted my bank and consulted the incident. The bank told me that it is completely wrong that someone unauthorized has my bank details and that we then blocked the bank card. It is pure lies that they wanted the last 3 digits but they wanted all the digits on the card, including validity etc. As proof, I have saved their email where they are illegally requesting information to which they are not entitled. I will report this to the police for attempted fraud.

I lost over 1500 euros in this casino and won 500 euros. And instead of paying out my winnings, they are illegally requesting bank details that are classified to pay out my winnings. According to their rules, you should not even have to verify anything if you make the withdrawal in the same method as you did in the deposit, which I have also done.

I also do not consider myself offended by anyone. The only thing I have mentioned is to report the incident which I consider to be fraudulent according to information from the bank.

Deras historia är helt fel och missledande. De bad mig att skicka samtliga siffror på bankkortet. Vilket jag har gjort. Har därefter kontaktat min bank och rådfrågat händelsen. Banken berättade för mig att det är helt fel att någon obehörig har mina bankuppgifter och att vi då spärrade bankkortet. Det är rent lögner att de ville ha dom 3 sista siffrorna utan de ville alla siffror på kortet, inklusive giltighetstid mm. Som bevis har jag sparat deras mejl där de begär olovligt uppgifter som de inte har rätt till. Jag kommer att polisanmäla detta för försök till bedrägari.

Jag förlorat över 1500 euro i denna casino och vann 500 euro. Och stället för att betala ut min vinst så begär de olovligt bankuppgifter som är sekretessbelagda för att betala ut min vinst. Enligt deras regler ska man inte ens behöva verifiera något om man gör uttaget i samma metod som man gjorde i insättningen, vilket jag också har gjort.

Jag anser mig inte heller förolämpad någon. Det enda som jag har nämnt är att anmäla händelsen som jag anser handlar bedrägari enligt information från banken.

Dear player, we ask you not to lie here, because in the last message at least 2 facts about which you wrote are outright lies. We have all the correspondence with you and absolutely all the data and, if necessary, we will post evidence that you are deceiving the community. The main problem is that you absolutely do not want to wait and demand action from the casino the very second you write to us, but this is impossible, because verification and other moments take time. Plus you accuse us of fraud, although there is no reason to say so.

I would like to ask you to reread my previous message once again, where everything is very detailed, very clear for all parties.

We never ask for information about the player, in particular the card, which could harm the player in the future. The numbers on the card are always used for manual transfer of funds. What you have come up with, as if the casino is going to deceive you - this is just your speculation.

In the future, if the player continues to lie and provide false information, we are ready to provide the administration and any official bodies with all the evidence of what we wrote about in the previous post.

I have no reason to lie. I've told you how it all went. I am also broad to provide GURU with proof where you ask me to send all numbers on my bank card this including validity period etc.

After I sent you this information, I contacted the bank who asked me to block the card. All email dialogue is with me and feel free to share with GURU for proof. As I said, I have no reason to lie about this about this.

It is true that I later asked you to close my account, because I feel that you are dishonest. Just as you mention, you refused this and you gave as a reason that I have money in the account. I then invested all the money to get the account to 0. And asked you again to close my account, which you have not yet done.

I simply do not want anything more for you to do because I understood that you are willing to come across my bank card information. And probably do more damage than the 500 euros you refused to pay here.

I would also like to add that you only became interested in my withdrawal yesterday AFTER I lodged a complaint with GURU. And that before that you were totally uninterested in my withdrawal and received no response at all. Therefore, I am grateful that GURU is here between us and can make a fair assessment of our situation.

Jag har inga anledning att ljuga. Jag har berättat hur det hela har gått till. Jag är också bredd att förse GURU med bevis där ni ber mig skicka alla siffror på min bankkort detta inklusive giltighetstid mm.

Efter att jag skickade dessa uppgifter till er kontaktade jag banken som bad mig spärra kortet. Alla mejl dialog finns hos mig och delar gärna med GURU för bevis. Som sagt så har jag inga anledning att ljuga om detta om detta.

Det stämmer att jag senare bad er att stänga mitt konto, detta eftersom jag upplever att ni är oärliga. Precis som ni nämner så vägrade ni detta och ni gav som anledning att jag har pengar på kontot. Jag satsade då alla pengar för att få kontot till 0. Och bad er åter igen att stänga mitt konto vilket ni ännu inte har gjort.

Jag vill helt enkelt inte ha något mer er att göra eftersom jag förstod att ni är villiga att komma över mina bank-korts uppgifter. Och förmodligen göra mer skada än dom 500 euro som ni vägrat att betala här.

Jag vill också tillägga att ni blev intresserat av mitt uttag först igår EFTER att jag la upp ett klagomål hos GURU. Och att ni innan dess var ni totalt ointresserad av mitt uttag och fick inga svar från överhuvudtaget. Därför är jag tacksam över att GURU finns här i mellan oss och kan göra ett rättvist bedömning av vårt situation.

Dear player, you absolutely do not read what we wrote here in the first message, and again you are not telling the truth when you say that we were not interested in communicating with you until the moment of the complaint here. We answered you every day and said everything as it is. Absolutely all correspondence with dates has been saved, so you are exaggerating everything again.

And yes, if you do not want to read our first message here at all, then we repeat once again, we have requested the data of your card (card number, expiration date) in order to withdraw funds by transferring to your card, these data are required for an alternative money transfer. You don’t want to understand this and accuse us of some kind of fraudulent activity, although this is absolutely wrong and has nothing to do with what you say about us

This is all that we can add on this situation with this player, we have absolutely nothing to hide and nothing to add, everything is written in the first message from us here.

Why are you asking for all the numbers on my bank card? The first four and the last four digits should be enough. This is what other casinos require when verifying their customers. It's the same bank card I made the deposit with, shouldn't the first and last 4 digits be enough then?

It is the bank that advised me to block my bank card because they think it is excessive to give all these numbers on the bank card to unauthorized persons. You have emailed me on January 3, 2022 at 17:59 (local time in Sweden) that you want all numbers on my bank card. Since I sent the email before that I could send 4-first and 4-last which is usually normal for other casinos to request. If GURU wants, I can send to the screenshot of the email you sent.

And another thing, why is my account still open? When I ask you to close it. It shows how unserious you are as a casino.

You do not understand a little the essence of what is happening.

The first 4 and last 4 digits are needed when you go through verification.

We ask for full numbers when the payment system cannot automatically withdraw money to your bank or a player from this country. To make a manual transfer of money, you always need all the numbers on the card. For example, when your friend wants to transfer money to you, you tell him the card number or phone number if you have one bank and he makes you a transfer. We have already written to you about this several times. At the same time, these data do not affect anything (in terms of possible fraud), since we never asked you for the back 3 digits.

What the bank told you to block the card depends on how you presented the information to them, and judging by the way you accuse us everywhere, most likely you told them that we were scammers who demanded all card details from you, which is a complete lie and is not true. That is why the bank recommended to you to block the card - this is natural. This is not our fault, it just happened because of how you perceive information.

I am sorry that you perceive the situation in this way and are completely wrong in your statements about us, but we did not violate anything, did not demand any information that would be dangerous for you, and also did not violate any time obligations. The fact that you expect the casino to respond to you at the same second is just your expectations, especially considering that now are New Year's holidays all over the world. But we will repeat that we answered you every day on the same day that you wrote to us and never once wasted time. For the entire time of the correspondence, only 5 days have passed (verification, the problem with the SMS code and the request for this card to withdraw funds), which is an absolute norm.

As for blocking your account, we have already sent a request and your account will definitely be blocked.

Hello everyone,

Thank you GoodWin Casino representative for providing this detailed explanation.

Mike19, after reviewing this conversation, I believe that the casino expressed its point of view very clearly, and their actions seem to be reasonable. In addition to this, we would like to refrain from commenting on the credit card number situation. We are not in a position to decide what is right or wrong since your bank has already taken action.

Moreover, I am afraid that if you have lost all your winnings in the meantime, there is not much more we can do for you. I understand your frustration and that this situation would never happen if you could withdraw your winnings immediately as you wished. However, you have to understand that processing a withdrawal can take a few days from start to finish (even longer during the holiday season), and it doesn't seem to me that the casino tried to delay your withdrawal or completely withhold your winnings.

Please let me know, if there is anything, I could help you with, otherwise, I will be forced to reject your complaint. Thank you for your understanding. 

Of course, I understand that we are closing the case.

But just want to add that it is important for us to know in the future if a casino may request all the numbers on the player's credit card. If you want, I can email you a screenshot of their request.

It is precisely that they wanted to see my entire credit card that made me prefer to forgo the withdrawal. Is it fair?

Självklart har jag förståelse att vi avslutar ärendet.

Men vill bara tillägga att det är viktigt för oss att veta i framtiden om ett casino får begära alla siffror på spelarens kreditkort. Om du vill så kan kan jag mejla dig skärmbild på deras förfrågan.

Det är just att de ville se hela mitt kreditkort som gjorde att jag hellre ville avstå från uttaget. Är det rättvist?

Hello everyone,

Mike19, GoodWin Casino Team, feel free to forward your evidence to kristina.s@casino.guru and we will review it with our team.

Unfortunately, at the same time, it doesn't change our decision and I am forced to close this complaint because you lost your winnings. Sorry we were not able to help you with this one, but please, do not hesitate to contact us in the future, if you run into any issues with this or any other casino and we will try our best to help.