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I used one of their bonuses where I was not supposed to bet more than 0.75€ as I mad an deposit of 75€. I used the same bonus many times and every time that I had I lost money and no one ever mentioned anything about my bet being to high. Now I won 8000€ and as I requested a withdrawl of 3000€ they sent me an email that I have breached bonus terms and they have confiscated all of my winnings (complete sum of winnings except my deposit) How is this fair? So as long I was losing money it was ok to bet bigger than bonus terms, but now that I have won big they confiscate all of my winnings? It is completly unfair! Terms and agreements should be obligatory to both parties! But with this casino is ok to break rules as long as you are losing money. And also bonus rules are written in a manor that you have to know "the lingo" to be sure what they want you to do. 8000€ is a lot of money that I have won fair and square on their games.

Dear xrtex1,

Thank you very much for submitting your complaint and forwarding all the relevant communication. I’m sorry to hear about the issue and understand your frustration. I carefully checked the Bonus Terms on the website, and this is what I found (here):

„The maximally allowed bet with an active "Bet Raise Reload Bonus" accounts to 1% from deposit sum."

We would like to see casinos implementing systems that would prevent players from placing higher than allowed bets, but, unfortunately, this is not standard practice yet. Additionally, please understand that bonus game sessions are checked only after requesting the withdrawal. Therefore, if you lose your funds and no withdrawal is requested, the game session is not checked for maximum bets and restricted games.

Please do not hesitate to forward your game history in Excel format along with any relevant communication to petronela.k@casino.guru if you feel that you’ve been accused mistakenly.

I hope we will be able to help you to resolve this issue as soon as possible. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Best regards,

Petronela

Hi,

firstly I would like to thank you for you time.

so the complete sum of the winnings (8000€) were won in 3 days, and some of them long after bonus waggering was completed. According to casinos terms I abused bonus with my first bet greater than 1%. So after that they should have cancelled my bonus and deduct my winnings but they did not! I kept on playing and winning big without any alert from system or staff and furthemore there never seemed to be a problem with my betts when I was using a bonus and losing money. It is completly unfair for casino to claim that all of my winnings are result of a bonus abuse if the complete sum was won long after bonus completion and casino did refund my deposit to my casino balance. So they admitted that I had 75€ in my account after bonus abuse. How is it possible that they deducted all of my winnings then? It is unfair for casino to claim that I won all of my winnings with bomus money. It is untrue and completly unfair to player. My bonus according to their terms was over as soon as I placed a bet bigger than 1%, so after that I used my deposited funds for betting. It is not my fault if they dont do check up until withdrawal. This matter is completly one sided decision from casino and it is untrue and unfair to player. If I will have to, I will be even contacting their gaming licence provider.

Regards

Bet Raise Reload 50% up to €1000 Bonus was created for all categories of users. The client can make a deposit of €50 using this bonus and play at a maximum bet of €0.5, or the client can make a deposit of €2000 and play at a maximum bet of €20.

The maximum bet allowed is directly related to the size of the deposit - 1% of the deposit. This is stated in three places:

In the description of Bet Raise Reload 50% Bonus;

Bonus Terms;

Terms and Conditions.

The Bet Raise Reload 50% up to €1000 bonus was created a long time ago and is very popular, but every month several customers do not consider it necessary to read the terms and conditions of this bonus.

In order to avoid similar situations in the future, it was decided to deactivate this bonus from 26.08.2022.

Thank you, Pledoo Casino team, for the clarification.

Dear xrtex1,

If you are aware of placing higher bets than the allowed ones, sadly, there is not much we can do to support your case at this time. I would strongly recommend reading all the T&Cs carefully before you start playing to avoid any misunderstandings in the future. Casinos try to design their bonuses to be as attractive as possible, but the rules must always be followed. 

Please let me know if there is any additional information that I have overlooked, but I’m afraid I will be forced to reject your complaint as unjustified. I wish I could be of more help. Thank you in advance for your reply and understanding.

I was not aware that my bets were too big till the moment my winnings were taken away. Once again I wish to point out that from the moment I placed bigger bet that I should my bonus was over. After that I still had my original deposit on my account. It is not my fault that casino does not check bonus abuse till withdrawl. The first bet after I abused my bonus was a bet that I made with my deposit. I understand that i breached bonus terms, but it is completly unfair that all of my winnings were taken away as I won the complete amount in 3 days and not only when I had a bonus. I understand that some winnings will be taken but not the whole amount. Fair solution would be that some of the winnings would be taken away and not all. Every bet that I have placed was legitimate and according to the terms and conditions after bonus abuse they can take the winnings that were won till the bonus abuse, but not after! They should calculate the sum that was won the second after I abused bonus conditions. Once again! It is not my fault that they confiscate just before withdrawl. And it is not right or fair that they took all of the winnings.

Also, according to the terms and conditions they can make a decision and not take amy winnings at all as they are not obliged to confiscate winnings. Furthermore when a player is using a bonus promotion the balance is made out of deposited money + bonus money. As soon as bonus "burns" the remaining balance consists of deposited funds. I can not believe that is allowed for a casino to confiscate winnings whenever they choose. This is really not a small matter as the complete sum of the winnings is 8.000€! Like I statet in my previous response I know that some of the winnings will be lost because of my mistake, but again! They can not take them all. There is no segment in their terms when can they confiscate funds. And also why do they notify you about bonus abuse just when you win? Im sure that I breached bonus conditions on many ocassions as I was unaware that i abused bonus. They never sent any warnings. All I am claiming is the amount of winnings that were won after bonus abuse.

I understand your frustration, xrtex1. Have you requested your game history, please? If yes, forward it to petronela.k@casino.guru at your earliest convenience. Thank you in advance.

Hi,

I will do that. Thank you!

Hi Team.

The statement of this deposit with an active bonus was sent to the e-mail of the forum representative petronela.k@casino.guru.

As you can see from the statement the client bet €1 playing with the real balance with an active bonus Bet Raise Reload 50%.

Below are presented player's bets that exceeded the limit of €0.75 while playing with the bonus balance with the same bonus:

From UTC 21.08.2022 21:16:29 Bet PragmaticPlay (Black Bull) - 0.80 EUR (53 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 21:32:17 Bet RelaxGaming (Dead Man's Trail) - 0.80 EUR (168 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 22:04:08 Bet NoLimitCity (LegionXDX1) - 1.00 EUR (26 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 22:06:10 Bet PushGaming (Big Bamboo) - 1.00 EUR (276 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 22:24:12 Bet PragmaticPlay (Buffalo King Megaways) - 1.25 EUR (99 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 22:33:40 Bet PushGaming (Mystery Museum) - 1.00 EUR (134 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 22:54:30 Bet RelaxGaming (Money Train 2) - 2.00 EUR (151 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 23:08:18 Bet PlaynGo (Book of Dead) - 3.00 EUR (153 bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 23:18:46 Bet PragmaticPlay (Gates of Olympus) - 2.50 EUR (122 Bets)

From UTC 21.08.2022 23:28:16 Bet PragmaticPlay (The Dog House) - 4.00 EUR (46 bets)

After that the bonus wager was wagered, the bonus balance of €2697.14 was transferred to the real balance and the player continued to play on the real balance.

"After bonus wager the bonus balance of 2697.14€ was transferred to the real balance". After that I was playing for another 2 days and won the complete sum of 8.000€! I do not know why you did not send complete game history? And like I stated before! I know that I will not be paid the complete sum of the winnings, but it is unfair that complete amount was taken. I made the first withdrawl long after bonus abuse and again it is not my fault that you check bonus abuse at withdrawl! I find the best solution to be for a casino to confiscate half of my winnings and payout the other half. And please send me the complete game history as I requested in my e-mail.

Thank you very much, Pledoo Casino team, for the púlayer's game history. Could you please forward it to the player directly as well?

Dear xrtex1,

Unfortunately, I have to confirm that many bets greater than the allowed ones were found in your game history while you had an active bonus. Sadly, there is not much I can do to support your case at this time. I would strongly recommend reading all the T&Cs carefully before you start playing to avoid any misunderstandings in the future. Casinos try to design their bonuses to be as attractive as possible, but the rules must always be followed. Please do not hesitate to contact me if there is anything else, I could do for you in this matter. Thank you for your understanding.

Like I said in my previous response, I know that some of my winnings should be taken (all of the winnings to the moment of bonus abuse) but after the bonus was over they should not take any winnings after that. Casino only forwarded you the game history during an active bonus and not all of it! I am still waitting for them to directly send me a complete game history, but they do not respond. And also the whole disputed amount is 8.000€ not just the amount that was won during bonus. I do not know why every reply that I get is just about the bonus funds and not the winnings that were won long after bonus was over and were still taken from me! For this exact reason casino wont send me the complete game history! I am sure that they were not eligable to seize all of my funds and if we wont find a solution to this, I will definitely try to resolve this dispute with their licence provider or in any other way. In my opinion it is a complete scam. I do not know why they are being promoted here as their terms and agreements are really not fair to players and they have a lot of limits in their benefit. It is hard to win anything and even when you do the casino will do everything in their power to not pay anything.

Once again. I am claiming that money won after bonus abuse should not be taken away as from the second when bonus was over, bonus terms did not apply anymore. If casino decided to check the bonus at withdrawl it is their decision but that does not mean that they have a right to seize all of the funds in players account! They seized all of the winnings (winnings during the bonus and winnings after the bonus)! I claim the winnings won after the bonus and casino should return them!

I fully understand your point of view, however, I'll try to explain why your winnings were confiscated.

Please check the following rules (here):

"If a player is betting more than allowed per bet with an active bonus, it classifies as bonus abuse.

...

If you exceed the maximum bet limit when wagering bonus money, your winnings will be reduced to the amount of the last deposit."

Casinos check bonus game sessions only when a withdrawal request is submitted. From your bonus game history, it is clear that you have breached the maximum bet rule several times. Therefore your entire winnings from the bonus play should be forfeited according to terms and conditions. That means that you wouldn't have funds to continue playing after completing bonus wagering and even the amount that you dispute (and was won after the bonus wagering was completed) should be cancelled as you breached the maximum bet while your bonus was still active.

While I agree that all these checks should be immediate, sadly, that's not industry standard. The majority of bonuses come with a maximum bet rule and players need to be careful as breaching this rule means those entire winnings will be voided.

Please let me know if there is any additional information that I have overlooked, but I’m afraid I will be forced to reject your complaint as unjustified. I wish I could be of more help. Thank you in advance for your reply and understanding.

Dear xrtex1,

We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.

Unfortunately, we’re rejecting this case because the player hasn’t responded to our messages and questions. Therefore, we’re not able to proceed with further investigation or suggest possible solutions.

The player can reopen this complaint anytime.