The player from Australia had his payments halted for an unknown reason. He reported that after he had won and withdrawn some funds, his account was put under review and subsequently, he received no additional payments. The casino claimed that the player didn't provide enough documents to meet their AML requirements, and the player's account was associated with potential money laundering tactics. Despite the player's insistence that he had sent all necessary documents, the casino maintained that the evidence wasn't satisfactory and stopped further communication, advising the player to seek resolution through a regulator. After numerous attempts to resolve the issue, the case remained unresolved, with the Complaints Team waiting for a decision from the regulator.
Hi I won 300,000 back in may at viperspin.com I received 2 payments of 3200 and then I received a email on the 15th of may saying they where closing my account and reviewing my account for money laundrieing and they would get back to me in 7 to 10 days and I haven't received a word since. I have been in talks with a slot streamer that plays there casino and he has told me a few times that they where going to start paying some of the money to open a new account and they would start but haven't I have sent countless emails asking for updates with no reply.
Thank you very much for submitting your complaint. I’m sorry to hear about your problem.
Please allow me to ask you a few questions, so I can understand the whole situation completely. Could you please advise if the entire amount of $300,000 has been approved by the casino and subsequently split into several installments? Do I understand correctly that $6,400 has been received only?
Yes I received 2 payments of 3200 because they only allow 3200 a week and I played for a bit untill they sent me the email that I'd been put under review there was 280,000 left in there on the 15th of may last year I have screen shot of when I had 370,000 in there
I had to provide source of wealth and income details witch I did and I've been told by the slot streamer they would pay me out 50k in Nov and I received nothing then I received 3200 on the 1st of January out of the blue in the new account then nothing from then witch I found fishy I ask live chat about my account and they said my account b****1@hotmail.com is like it was never registered I have screen shots of all of it
Thank you, Boofa83, for your reply and all the forwarded relevant communication. Could you please advise if you accumulated your winnings with or without and active bonus and which games you were playing?
Originally we asked Adam for evidence regarding money laundering with our AML policy being rather strict. The documents were not given in a time frame, period. There has been no attempt to provide accounting documents that justify his deposits of that amount, and the betting is very similar to a money laundering tactic. We did allow well over a month for that process. Again, no documents were ever provided to our casino directly as requested.
In addition, paid out over $50,000 + as good will, which is attached for your viewing.
Please also note the funds withdrawn are well over what has been deposited.
Adam was threatening our live chat support for more funds, and we told him he is welcome to open a case on guru, or anyone else that he feels required to do so.
References:
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5:5. VERIFICATION OF YOUR IDENTITY; ANTI-MONEY LAUNDERING REQUIREMENTS
8.5.2 any Checks referred to Verification of Your Identity; Money Laundering Requirements have been completed by us to our satisfaction; and
One of our streamers, who has no involvement within the casino was trying to assist Adam, but as we've mentioned to said streamer this has nothing to do with him, or anything he may 'assist' with. That streamer did manage a deal with one of our managers to allow a further $10,000 out, out of a kind gesture from within the community which management approved. He has also already received several thousand of that, and then well now has this case. Nothing further will be paid.
We will also add, that duplicate accounts are also a part of this. The list really does go on.
We feel we've been more then fair to Adam, paid out more then what was deserved for a case that was still not solved due to the actual requested document was never satisfied to our KYC team.
We will be not be putting attention to this matter further, we will only deal with this via Guru.
Hi Adam, as previously mentioned a streamer has no involvement within the casino. You are very well aware of the email that we use, and the live chat. We can also provide live chat logs if needed by Guru over the team assisting you. Whilst the streamer did get a deal with a manager out of good will, and they were happy to pay that amount out but now your account has been disabled on your secondary account. Any other arrangements that the streamer has helped you with, we are not sure but that is nothing official that reflects the casino whatsoever.
A tax document is not sufficient, the same we have previously explained we require banking statements + a correct KYC of your business income as you declare yourself as self employed.
The funds withdrawn can be shown more also at Gurus request, however we have also attached them and blanked out private information as I am not sure what it published.
We will wait for gurus reply before anything further is added, please note we can supply all withdrawals that were accepted and all payment logs.
Please also note Adam, seeing as you have received well over $50,000Guru can not provide an action for us to pay any remaining. Our decision was already made at the time that you could not produce the required documents for 6 + months even though we did allow you to withdraw more funds as we do like to look after all players however money laundering is a serious offence and we will not be frauded or taken lightly.
Petronela if you would like to use team viewer / team speak to check the withdrawals please let me know at any time and we can organise a live call together with EU time.
We have many players that are over $3,200 per week.
Attached for example is a players limits that we allow to be higher. Adam, you are very well aware that we can raise limits based on the players level + turnover.
Adam, regardless of what Guru mentions here there will be nothing further on our behalf under the suspicion from money laundering. We have already noted this to you many, many months ago. Nothing further from us will be posted.
U denied my request of rising my limit of 3200 stating I hadn't turned over enough and that levels didn't matter u would have it but u won't put that up
And it shows 15 count of withdrawals show all withdrawals and the address on them please I bet they don't match only 4 will be to me 3 of $3200 and 1 of 900
Thank you very much, ViperSpin Casino team, for your email. Due to the reasons that you mentioned in your reply, we will set the timer for three weeks until the person who's responsible for this case will be available.
Please bear with us as the person who's responsible for your case is not available at this moment. Thank you very much in advance for your patience and understanding.
Thank you both sides for the updates. From what I understood the active balance on the player's account was well over $290K+ around May 15th, 2022. According to the player's screenshots, some documents were sent five days later. Could the casino clarify what was the problem and why the documents were not accepted?
Hi Petronela, we are in the process of getting each bet log. Please note on our back end it's available one month at a time but we are trying to store it into a excel document for you from the gaming provider directly.
Thank you, ViperSpin Casino, for the update. I understand that getting the player's game history might take a while. Could you please advise, in the meantime, what was the issue with player's documents?
この苦情を同僚の Matej ( matej@casino.guru ) に転送し、あなたの支援を受けます。 Boofa83 さん、ご多幸をお祈り申し上げます。近い将来、問題が満足のいく形で解決されることを願っています。
Thank you very much, both sides, for providing all the necessary information.
I will now transfer this complaint to my colleague Matej (matej@casino.guru) who will be at your assistance. I wish you, Boofa83, best of luck and hope to see your problem being resolved to your satisfaction in the near future.
Hi matej thank you for helping with my case I just sent you an email with my pays over the 6 months I was playing with the casino. Please let me know that you receive it I can get my bass statements as well if needed as u can see in the email I earned over 110,000 aus in the 6 months
I received your screenshots and understand why the casino suspects you of money laundering.
I will explain to you how the casino sees it:
You proved to the casino that in the past six months, you received more significant amounts of money (irregularly - because the payments were not made as typical salary once per month). However, you didn't provide evidence that the government knows you received that money and paid the tax. In the casino's eyes, either somebody gave you this money, or you worked and received the money without paying taxes. (grey economy).
So all you should do is prove that you pay taxes from the money you earned. That should be enough.
Thank you for getting back to me and explaining thus. I do understand now that you've explained it to me. It would have been helpful if they explained it this way and also replied after I had sent my tax documents.
The reason I get paid these different amounts is because I work for myself and only get paid for the jobs I complete.
I will forward you through my tax documents today.
Thank you very much for your assistance. I will be in touch shortly with the tax documents.
In this case, there are two different versions of what happened from the beginning.
The disputed amount does not match. The casino presented a game log indicating that the player lost his claimed money the same day the account was closed.
After reopening the account, Boofa83 continued to play. (why if the casino stole 280k from him?)
Why did the casino not mention that the player spent his balance at the beginning of the case?
Hi MateJ, as previously explained we were under different management throughout this case which was emailed. We can't control different outcomes of different staff / nor opinions.
We have been very transparent with the entire bet log, which our latest manager has looked into and supplied to you and also offered a call in regards which will occur.
I'm not entirely sure what more we can do other then submit what we have on our end which is within Fundist and governed by gaming authorities. We are more then happy if Adam would like to take this further to our licensor as we can supply any required documentation to them directly + they have full access.
We’ve reopened this complaint at the request of Boofa83. We would like to allow this case one more chance to be resolved and help both parties involved to reach a satisfactory conclusion.
We have received a request from Boofa83 to reopen a case due to the regulator's lack of response within the specified timeframe of three months. Can you kindly verify that you have not been contacted by the regulator regarding this matter?
Boofa83 could you please forward me the message you sent to the regulator?
Hi Matej, as you would be very well aware we are a WLC casino within Soft Gamings. You would also know the regulation process takes time, that is completely out of our control.
You can email them directly regarding this case, or better yet contact SoftGamings about it would you like their information?
We are waiting to hear back from the regulator, they were supplied with everything but they did take 2 months to contact Softgamings, again nothing to do with Viperspin we can not fast track any regulator.
The regulator was provided with sufficient evidence, and Softgamings is also satisfied that we have done everything correctly.
Thank you, should you need anything further please tag us in or contact the regulator directly.
So you can confirm that regarding the case, you already provided all the necessary proof, and now we are just waiting on the regulator's decision. Am I correct? If that is the case, we will wait again.
That is correct Softgamings gathered evidence from us that satisfied them. They have replied to the regulator, Viperspin was not involved directly with the regulator as we are a WLC not turnkey.
Softgamings as a company has agreed on our decision and due to our provided evidence there will be no action further.
The regulator I also believe will agree on the decision, but more then happy to wait I am not sure on their time frame, and as mentioned it's out of our control our control.
I'm not sure why regulators do take such a long period of time, so we do apologize Matej on the matter this is completely new to us also as it's extremely rare to have a case like this.
They do have everything they need though, thank you.
Yes I'm happy to wait I was just concerned that after 3 month no one had contacted me. I know things like this take time I just hope they can get the truth out of viperspin.com the amount of different stories they have come up with just in this complaint
As you are aware we are a WLC. The regulator gathered information roughly four months ago from SoftGamings, that's all we can advise at this time.
You're welcome to directly reach out to the regulator, or Softgamings for any further updates but Softgamings did note that we are correct in our actions, as for the regulator we can't speak on behalf of them but we have heard nothing since.
Let me know if you need anything further as we are happy to assist always.
入院中のため連絡に一週間かかってしまい申し訳ありません。 Skype では誰にも連絡できませんでしたが、ゲームライセンス部門の責任者である Igor rumyantsev と ilya s には連絡しました。ソフト ゲームの支払い部門の責任者が、支援できるかどうかを確認しています。
ありがとうアダム *******
Hi matej
Sorry for taking a week to get back to u ive been in hospital. I couldn't contact anyone through Skype but I've contacted Igor rumyantsev head of gaminglicensing and ilya s. Head of payments at soft gaming's to see if they can help.
Unfortunately, I cannot contact the regulator to inquire about your complaint. The regulator does not respond to such requests as complaints submitted to them are considered confidential. Have you tried contacting the regulator on Skype?
Can u ask viperspin casino to send me my account details such as bet logs withdrawals and login details.i would like to know what happened with my account after they closed my account on the 15th of may 2022 for money laundrieing
Hi Adam, we have already sent everything to Matej in regards to your case, and to the regulator.
There is nothing further we can do, as Softgaming has requested we do not speak outside of this and the regulator. I'm sure if Matej wants to, he can send you everything we have submitted. But on our end, everything has been submitted many months ago to our licensor, and they have forwarded it to the regulator.
In this instance, if there was any issues with this case or we were in the wrong in any way, the regulator would have already made a decision. However we feel that everything as usual was done correctly hence why our reputation is very strong.
You would of thought that they would of reached out by now if they contacted viperspin.com 4 months ago
But that could be another lie from viperspin.com you wouldn't know.
First they closed my account on may 15th 2022 for money laundrieing and I don't here from them untill I make this complaint about them. then they are more then happy to reply with lie after lie saying I didn't send them any documents then they say I sent the wrong documents to witch I prove them wrong.then they say they paid me out over 50k in June and July of 2022 (but my account was closed for suspicion of money laundering at that time)so that's more then I deposited so they don't have to do anything. but they also sent me an email in January 2023 saying they still owe me money on my deposits.and the last one was that I spent all the money before I closed the account witch I haven't seen those documents
As you can see attached we can not work around the licensor. The licensor of Softgamings is very strict, and we have submitted all evidence marked in June.
As already mentioned, we have provided ample proof to both Softgamings which satisfied them and also the regulator. We have zero control if the regulator doesn't reach out to you that is nothing to do with Viper Spin whatsoever.
MateJ, if required I can pass you a contacts number at Softgaming (only to yourself) however I'm not sure if they will continue this due to the age of this, and the fact everything was already submitted and accepted on their end. As you know operating on a white label casino license Softgaming wouldn't risk anything so it was a detailed investigation one which did confirm there was no further action to Viper Spin.
I'm afraid I can't do anything further to help, because what we have is concrete on this case.
Thank you for your assistance on this case Matej, please at any time if you have any further questions or comments email support@viperspin.com.
I'm sorry, but we'll need to wait for the regulator's decision in this case. Please reopen the case once the regulator has made a decision, or it will automatically reopen after three months.
Dear Boofa83, We hope this finds you well. We would like to ask you to provide an update regarding this case, which was previously marked as "Waiting for Regulator" on our website. Your complaint has now been automatically reopened, and we are eager to know if there have been any recent developments or resolutions since our last communication. If the ADR or the Licensing Authority has resolved things in your favor, please update the thread and send over the official statement to my email. Alternatively, if the ruling favored the casino, your insights are just as crucial. We understand that some time has passed, but updating your complaint will allow us to take appropriate action, such as issuing black points to the casino in case the ruling is in your favor or warning other players and users about instances where the authority supports the operator. We truly appreciate your cooperation, and your response would be of great assistance to us. Thank you in advance for your reply.
On our end, as we have previously shown documents to yourself from the licensor there has been nothing further.
Originally you did agree we were accurate on this case, but regardless receiving anything negative from this would be rather unjustified seeing as we have more then enough evidence, which we have also previously submitted.
We can't make a regulator go any faster, or make a decision or well even reply. Nothing further can be done on our end I'm more then happy to re-send every document to you if you'd like?
Given the current situation, we can wait for another three months. However, I would prefer to close the case after that period.
The casino has already presented compelling evidence (game logs indicate that the balance was depleted).
Despite the account being reopened, Boofa83 continued to engage in gaming. (This raises the question: why would Boofa83 continue playing if the casino had allegedly taken 280k from him?)
Nevertheless, it would be beneficial for all parties involved if the regulatory body could also look into this matter.
As I've said from the start I was locked out of my account in may of 22.
Under Suspicion of money laundering.
And I never heard back from viperspin.com till I made this complaint and from the start viperspin.com has changed there story 4 times with lies upon lies they can't stick to a single story because there lies and I've called them out since the start.
First I never sent them the documents proved them wrong then they changed and said I sent them the wrong documents proved wrong then they changed to they paid me out over 50k and they won't show what account it was sent to because it wasn't mine and that would prove there lies and now they say I spent all the money in the account but I was locked out of my account so if I had spent all the money then why not come out at the start and say that instead they make up all these lies that I caught them out on so they resort to saying there was no money in the account
Our evidence stands and it's very clear. During the above, nothing has changed that's stated by us.
There will be no further action, you will not be receiving anything further from us. I'm confident that is why nothing further has been provided to you from the licensor, as on other cases they are extremely responsive.
We are happy to keep waiting for the licensor to reply to you.
From the game logs, it is evident that the activity on the account continues after 22nd May. It has the same game patterns and very similar activity as before. We are on the casino side based on all this evidence we saw. The account balance 15.5. was 17325.3, so even if you lost control over the account on 22nd May, the amount you requested wasn't there. From 25th May, the activity continues till the 11th.Jun.
If a casino robbed me, I would not play more...
We wanted to involve the regulator, it is significant amount however the casino already provided evidence that they fully copperate ,gave all the evidence to us and the regulator and we can't punish them under this circumstances.
Pretty hard to play on an account on the 22nd of may when I was locked out of the account on the 15th of may for suspension of money laundrieing.
Pretty sure there not going to let me keep playing and withdrawing if I'm under suspension of that.and u go back to the top of the complaint they try to say I never sent them the right documents to clear that.
I would like to explain that in this complaint there were since the beginning the two issues.
The casino blocked your account based on missing taxation document and in this we were since the beginning on your side.
The disputed amount where we believed you had 280,000 AUD in your account in the moment when the account was closed.
The first point is already solved and now let's focus on the second one:
From the game log:
14.5. at 0:19:32 your account balance was 286k
15.5. from 01:43:16 there were an activity till 05:05:48
During this time were played the same games and activity is very similar to activity from previous days. The balance reach 400k at some point and was higher than 280k most of the time.
However, on the end reached 17,325.3
The next activity on your account is from 25.5. and the activity on your account continues in month June too.
The money on your account was played out in the same playstyle like you always play.
In this point we are on the side of the casino because it is impossible for us to recognize that it wasn't you and based on secondary indicators (playstyle) it points to you.
We asked the regulator to involve in this matter and the casino cooperated fully, however, without a decision from the regulator, we cannot close this case as unresolved.
The casino cooperated, provided us evidence which pointed out that the balance was played out. I am very sorry but I am afraid that without a regulator decision we are forced to reject your complaint. We can reopen it anytime when new evidence appears or the regulator decides. Meanwhile, you can consider to proceed with a legal way however the evidence against you is strong.
Hi matej from what u emailed me the play logs weren't the same u said there was an 80k buy witch u can't do as a new player the max is 10k.
So who ever made up the play logs didn't think of that.
In the end I was probably never going to get my money when the max withdrawal a week was 3200 (even the withdrawals they have shown weren't mine because there were 4 in one week but they won't show the account it went to ) would of been nice if the casino actually admitted there wrong doings but that won't happen.
Just amazing how you can believe all the lies they have told. if I'd spent the money then why make up all the lies of no sending the right documents and paying me out more the 50k of my deposits so they won't be paying out anymore there's another lie if I'd spent all the money then why would they pay me out anymore they can't even keep up with there lies
We went through your logs many times. From the day you claimed that you lost access to the website, there is the same pattern as the day before.
The bet sizes are similar to the day before. And most importantly, it is the responsibility of the player to protect the account. If somebody else uses your password or gains access to your account, the casino is not responsible in such a case. However, based on the playstyle, I believe that it was you who played and the account was banned after that play.
The game activity continues next month, and I can tell you that if some of the money were missing from my account, I would not be playing anymore.
Based on all the evidence that we collected during the enormous time we spent on this case, we decided to close it as unjustified.
We are considering cases based on the evidence that we have, and here I need to say that the casino provided sufficient evidence to prove that the amount from your account was lost.
During the investigation, they fully cooperated with us and the regulator. If the regulator ever responds and the conclusion would be different from ours, we will gladly reopen this case. However, until then, we must reject it as unjustified.
We are extending the timer by 7 days. Please, be aware that in case you fail to respond in the given time frame or don’t require any further assistance, we will reject the complaint.
As I've said from the start of the complaint my side of the story hasn't changed there's has a number of times .I just find it funny how they can lie the hole way through it and we caught them out a number of times but then after that a come up with I spent it all haha and make a few game plays witch is probably from the weeks before so it all looks the same. So if I had spent it all where did the withdrawals 50k they tryed to make up come into it I bet there not in there anymore.im not even worried about the money anymore it's been 2 years since I won it if they had left it I probably would have given a far bit back because of the 3200 withdrawals a week but the fact they stole and lied if I have stopped people playing at viperspin.com im happy with that so they can't do it to someone that can't afford it im just lucky I have a good job. Thanks for all your help anyway matej if the regulator ever does reply im happy to reopen the case.
As previously stated in the first part of the complaint regarding the missing tax statement, we were on your side, and the casino eventually accepted it. However, concerning the balance in your account, there is compelling evidence on the casino's side.
You may attempt to contact the regulator again, but based on the evidence provided by the casino, we must reject your complaint.